Re: MAPS: -BZ- & The hallucinogens of the dark side...

["Tore M. Schanke" <tore.schanke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

"Easson, Jeffery" wrote:
... i was also wondering about a

> drug known as BZ.  once used by the cia/military this is supposed to
> be a superhallucinogen.  what is a superhallucinogen (as opposed to a
> hallucinogen)?  i was also wondering if anybody knows how to make it?
>  i know BZ's name (it's in acid dreams) but i would really be
> interested in trying it?

To start with the last question: You would NOT be interested in trying it!

It's easy to make...

BZ, -or more commonly known as QNB (quinuclidinyl benzilate), is a very strong
'disabilitating' agent, active from about 0.050 mg. It acts in a way similar to
other deliriant anti-cholinergics, -of which the tropane alkaloids (atropin,
scopolamine and hyoscyamine), are the 'prototypes'. It is a little more
specific, as it interacts with only a subset of the muscarinic acetyl choline
receptors, while most anti-muscarinic, anti cholinergic drugs are less
specific, they are somewhat less dangerous... If you want to have a 'taste' of
this 'purgatory' try smoking a little Datura or Belladonna, but don't take them
orally, unless you want to be in for some heavy 'punishing'. -If taken orally
the effects can last for days.
The world of these substances is utterly 'weird'. You can see 'people' and
other things, only to have them vanish as soon as you take a closer look. You
can really 'travel' at times, but it is difficult to remember more than a few
'glimpses'.
These substances are very hard on the body. The range between an effective dose
and a toxic dose is very small. They are strong smooth muscle relaxants and
heart stimulants. You tend to go very dry, and even water may taste like sand,
as they inhibits most glandular functions. It may get difficult to move, think,
remember, talk.... It can be very scary, and a person helping you during the
poisoning is neccesary.
Some of these substances are commonly used in medicine, but the use has
declined as safer drugs have been taken into use.
It is true that plants like Henbane, Belladonna and Thorn-Apples, were
important in the religious practices of our ancestors, like in Norse and
Germano-Celtic religion. Religious and ritual use of related plants are known
from all around the globe (Asia, Europe, Africa, America), and pre-dates
recorded history.
As there are so many better and safer substances, with more suitable effects, I
think any use of the stronger doses of anti-cholinergics, outside of a
medically monitored context, should be avoided.

Tore M. Schanke - toxicologist

ps
"super hallucinogen" (i'd rather say "super deliriants") - well, they can give
'true' hallucinations, -unlike LSD-like psychedelics, which really don't do
much to deserve the term 'hallucinogens'.


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