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MAPS: Digest: LSD vs. LSA; morning glory seeds
Contributions from "Danny," "Scanner," Peter Webster, and Arturo R.
Arechiga-Mantilla.
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From: "danny" <gneall@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: MAPS: LSD vs. LSA?
I just got into studying the difference between LSA, and LSD.
Of course LSA is a natural chemical, and LSD is synthetic. It has been said
that if you extract the LSA, and refine it, it can be just as good, and
better than LSD.
Both LSD and LSA have very, very few physical dangers. However if you do not
prepare the seeds that you extract it from correctly, you may get stomach
pains after you indigent it (like most things if you consume too much). Like
most psychedelics, if abused, it can however give some people (weak minded
people) mental and emotional problems.
Below is a list of LSA contents in morning glory, and misc. other seeds and
plants.
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LAA% Total Alks. % by weight
Hawaiian baby wood rose: 0.04 0.30
Ololiuqui: 0.02 0.04
Heavenly Blue: 0.01 0.02
Pearly Gates: 0.02 0.03
Wedding Bells: 0.01 0.03
Taken from :
Isolation and Identification of Lysergic Acid Amide and Isolysergic Acid
Amide as the Principal Ergoline Alkaloids in _Argyreia nervosa_, a tropical
wood rose. Michael D. Miller (Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (cool
how do I get his job?). Journal of the AOAC, vol 53(1):123-7, 1970.
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Major Alkaloid Content in the seeds of A. nervosa(Burm. f.) Bojer
[snip] % of Total alkaloid % dry seed weight
Ergine 22.68 0.136
Isoergine 31.36 0.188
Ergometrine 8.20 0.049
Lys. alpha-OH-ethylamide 5.79 0.035
IsoLys. || 3.98 0.024
Taken from:
Ergoline Alkaloidal Constituents of Hawaiian Baby Wood Rose, _Argyreia
nervosa_ (Burm. f.) Bojer. Jew-Ming Chao and Ara H. Der Marderosian.
Journal of Pharmaceutical Sciences 62(4):588-91. 1973.
All these alkaloids listed here can be hydrolysed into Lysergic Acid.
This will also racemate it, but so what, according to this chart
the iso form is more predominant anyway, racemization should thus
produce more of the biol. active form. Also, isolation of the iso form
(chromatography) followed by racemization will give still more active stuff,
but probably not worth the trouble.
..:: Danny
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From: scanner <scanner@xxxxxxxxx>
Yuckkkk! I have heard that you can use the LSA (easily obtained from
morning glory seeds) in further processes that will take it to LSD or
something as close -- and supposedly safe. I've never known anyone who
took it that far however. I have taken an amount of LSA (that was
obtained from Morning Glory Seeds -- which are bad enough just as they
come). I don't know the exact dose amount, but it was about the size
of medium die (like one half of a pair of dice). I hadn't anticipated
the sharp edges nearly cut my throat trying to get it down. The
substance solidified into a stone like texture, a smooth surface on
the faces of the cube. If you need to get high so badly that you would
take this stuff in such a raw form, you might find it easier just to
use some bug killer or anything you can find under your kitchen sink.
It will make you sick with all the symptoms of strychnine at high
doses. You feel sick for most of the high which lasts too long. You
sweat and feel cold inside. You feel like you are going to vomit all
the time, and you might vomit some. Physically this produced the most
unpleasant sensations I ever experienced in this sort of research. I
had taken the seeds before and should have known better. It probably
could kill you if you took enough. The idea that it could be used as a
starting substance in subsequent processes that would produce LSD or
closely related substance still holds my curiosity. Has anyone ever
done it?
scanner
jon wrote:
> Does anybody know about the dangers of LSA compared to LSD, is there
any
> difference in the risks, or has this not been studied (morning glory
> extract)?
>
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From: Peter Webster <vignes@xxxxxxxxx>
At 03:41 18/01/99 -0500, jon wrote:
>Does anybody know about the dangers of LSA compared to LSD, is there any
>difference in the risks, or has this not been studied (morning glory
>extract)?
The only problem with LSA (or iso-LSA which I think is the more
psychoactive in MG seeds), is that they are vasoconstrictive, and since you
need 10x or more the dose compared to LSD, yet their vasoconstrictive
potencies are similar, repeated use of MG seeds can cause tingling in the
extremities symptomatic of excess vasoconstriction, and presumably someone
who ingested large quantities of seeds frequently might start to get
ergotism. Otherwise, there would be little to differentiate the "risks" of
the two, psychologically. That risk, is of ocurse, a function of the
individual, not the drug.
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From: "Arturo R. Arechiga-Mantilla" <elefante@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
jon wrote:
> Does anybody know about the dangers of LSA compared to LSD, is there any
> difference in the risks, or has this not been studied (morning glory
> extract)?
>
Richard Heffern in his book Secrets of the Mind Altering Plants of Mexico
claims that the effects of the crushed, powdered or infused seeds of morning
glory (ipomoea violacea, rivea corymbosa) are "very nauseating (...) the
reader is cautioned not to experiment with the seeds because unfavourable and
dangerous side effects have been reported. For instance it is suspected that
some of the constituents in the seeds act like ergot (to which they are
related) by constricting the blood vessels in the brain and other parts or the
body. This can lead to "blackouts" and possible brain damage."
I wonder if this dangers are not exaggerated, especially concerning "brain
damage". This seeds heve been used for centuries by indigenous people here in
Mexico. I'm making some research with some some seeds of wild grown plants here
in Mexico. Obviously I would apreciate any information about previous personal
experiences and or related literature.
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